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January 15
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January 15, 2025
(Wednesday)
Law and crime
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Blurb: South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested after his declaration of martial law. (Post)
Alternative blurb: South Korean president Yoon Seok Yeol is arrested in a standoff involving over a 1000 police officers.
News source(s): https://www.chosun.com/national/court_law/2025/01/15/YE7U73ANOJEUFPXBYEFD72XO5U/
Credits:
- Nominated by Ca (talk · give credit)
Ca talk to me! 01:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's comment: First time in South Korean history a president got arrested, or even received an arrest warrant.
- Support: Seems notable. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 01:58, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- English language sources (BBC) are trickling in. Ca talk to me! 02:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
January 14
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January 14, 2025
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections
Science and technology
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RD: Tony Slattery
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: British comedian, best known for being on the original uk Whose Line is it Anyway?. Several unsourced and cn tags on article. Masem (t) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged and lacking in citations throughout the article. Must be improved far beyond what it already is now. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Simon Townsend
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-15/simon-townsend-has-died-journalist-tv-presenter/104818750
Credits:
- Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian journalist, and conscientious objector during the Vietnam War, who spent time in prison, then later became host of a very popular childrens TV show, Simon Townsend's Wonder World. HiLo48 (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Only one reference for the whole article. Stephen 23:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article, despite being up for 20 years, has a single reference, is orange tagged, and has two completely uncited sections. Please fix. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 23:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
January 13
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January 13, 2025
(Monday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Business and economy
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Law and crime
Politics and elections
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(Posted) Lebanese prime minister
[edit]Blurb: Nawaf Salam is chosen to be the next prime minister of Lebanon (Post)
Alternative blurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by DecafPotato (talk · give credit)
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Lebanon's Prime Minister is the ITNR position for the country (administers the executive in the country), so discussions shouldn't focus on notability but only article quality. However, I think this should probably be merged with the current blurb about the new president, since those two events are very related, unless people have objections to that. DecafPotato (talk) 21:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun is elected president of Lebanon, with Nawaf Salam being nominated as Prime Minister". Salam also has a pretty large article and it seems to be well cited. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit: There's actually a lot of CN tags at the bottom of the article, I would now say Wait on quality. SpectralIon (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit 2: CN problems resolved, I now fully Support Merge. SpectralIon (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Edit: There's actually a lot of CN tags at the bottom of the article, I would now say Wait on quality. SpectralIon (talk) 21:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, then Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge with president blurb into something like "Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon and names Nawaf Salam prime minister". This is important enough for ITN because it is a surprise reformist prime minister naming that angers Hezbollah (Reuters, Al Jazeera, France 24). Tradediatalk 21:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose: Both the article Nawaf Salam and prime minister of Lebanon need to better sourced, and have inline citations. Multiple CN tags.Support merging --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)- Comment: I added altblurb that does not link to any new article (but just augments the blurb we already have) in case the new articles are not ready in terms of quality, we can just modify the old blurb as we wait for quality to improve. Tradediatalk 12:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merged blurb, but comment Just easiest to add Salam as PM to existing blurb without worring about quality of Salam's article, however, I do note that that leaves the current featured article about the election absent any discussion of the PM selection (Aoun's article and Salam's article of course have it). I don't think that that lack is a bad thing (this election is very much its own version of an IAR situations) so it should be okay to just amend without haven't any adjustment to the featured article. Masem (t) 13:05, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge @SpectralIon @Ion.want.uu @ExclusiveEditor I have resolved the citation issues. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Prodrummer619: There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looks fine now, I've changed to support. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:49, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor Woops. It Should've been done in a second edit but it didn't go though due to an error. Can you check now Prodrummer619 (talk) 14:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Prodrummer619: There are still few CN tags. If your didn't find a source for them, then we can remove those statements and move forward. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support merge per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted as an addition to the current item. Stephen 23:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Oliviero Toscani
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by EvergreenFir (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Famous photographer EvergreenFir (talk) 19:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Could be expanded from Italian with sources, would be very good candidate then for sure. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Feels a bit bare-bones, and there are several uncited statements in the article as well. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
2025 Prayag Kumbh Mela
[edit]Blurb: The Maha Kumbh Mela, a major Hindu festival, begins in Prayagraj, India (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by LukeSurl (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Beginning of a once-in-144 years festival (the Kumbh Mela occurs every 12 years, with a larger Maha iteration each 144 years). The Guardian expects more than 400 million people to attend this year’s festivities. C-class article exists but could be improved. LukeSurl t c 11:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- With Hinduism time cycles being infinitely fractal or almost is there a Super Maha Kumbh Mela every 12^3 yrs? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The article has now been copyedited. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I have added a tag to the article, since it contains words like "mystical" and "sophisticated" TNM101 (chat) 17:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support - but I have also raised a query on the talk page, about this '144 years' claim. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Jupiter's orbit is more precisely 4,332.59d (assuming sidereal like their astrology not tropical) so seems like it should be 143 about 34.7% of the time else 142 but I don't know how it's scheduled i.e. is it always the same season? Sidereal yr or tropical? Is starting ~Full Moon ending ~last crescent or ~New Moon coincidence or lunar/lunisolar calendar? (12x4332.59 (~11.862yr) is ~146.715 pure (nonlunisolar) lunar yrs so that's not where 144 comes from) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. LukeSurl t c 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @LukeSurl: I consider the blurb not 'deliberately' simple, but uneditorialised. Notre Dam's opening did not cover the recent right's rise in Europe. This example is not to draw analogy, but to connect. Given Guardian is British agency, they consider clubbing a lot of things related to a single event within an article when it comes to foreign news, especially Indian religions and the corresponding politics involved with it at a broader scale. Not a mistake but sure editorialising, although I agree the 'sociopolitical trends' sure are a reason for its wider scale this year. The 144 years is an estimate of Indian astrological calculations, and is relevant only because it feels 'good' to say that to exgravate the event. Kumbh Mela has always been a large celebration, even the last 'big' KM they did in 2013 was called 'Maha' KM. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Reading news reporting, it seems like the event’s size and significance arguably owes more to 21st century Indian sociopolitical trends rather than ancient calendar cycles. This can be discussed in the article - the blurb is deliberately simple. Regardless, this is a very large event that is in the news. LukeSurl t c 23:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If you look at the talk page, you will see the specific queries I'm raising. Basically it amounts to (1) wasn't the 2013 Prayag Kumbh Mela described at the time as a Maha Kumbh Mela? (2) is there anything in sources about the 1882 (eg 143 years ago) Prayag Kumbh Mela to show that it was distinctive in the way that the current one is claimed to be? GenevieveDEon (talk) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- On this Day is the main page section that usually handles religious festivals and other calendar events, not ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:21, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --ExclusiveEditor (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the main article says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every few years in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in Prayagraj known as Prayag Kumbh Mela which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not celebrated across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Christmas and New Year comes every Year, Kumbh Mela (the main one) doesn't. It comes every 12 years, which is the point of putting it on ITN. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 13:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Billions of people have recently celebrated Christmas and the New Year in various ways. Those events were in the news too but we need something more for ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As for what I've found on internet, Kumbh Mela was historically used to be a generic word to refer to local pilgrimage/religious gatherings happening in multiple city, but today only refers to the four major such gatherings, happening every few years in four Indian cities (2019 was one of its smaller variations (half Kumbh mela), although 2025 is expected to outdo it). The biggest and most notable of these four is the one happening in Prayagraj known as Prayag Kumbh Mela which happens once every 12 years. It's not a festival in traditional sense (like the ones there are holidays for), it is not celebrated across India in every city in general, but rather confined to that city where outside people pilgrimage to participate in. It has attained the title of 'festival' in recent centuries, although it might not be one. What makes it notable is not that it is celebrated by hundreds of millions of people across India, but that hundreds of millions from across the country visit the city to participate in it. It is an 'event' which has fixed starting and ending dates, and for 2025 PKM it is 13 January to 26 February 2025. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The proposed blurb says it's "a major Hindu festival". And the timing seems complex and variable – the main article says that the biggest attendance was on 4 February 2019. As it's a long festival and the crowding tends to generate incidents, like the Moslem pilgrimmages to Mecca, perhaps ITN should wait until we have something specific to report. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It is not a festival, and is not per the Gregorian calendar. This one doesn't happen every year, once in 12 years. Last it happened in 2013. --ExclusiveEditor (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- There's equivocation here around the word 'festival', which is both used to mean 'recurrent religious or cultural date of celebration' and 'mass gathering in celebration'. The Kumbh Mela is both of those things. It doesn't take place only on a single day, so I'm not sure OTD is appropriate; what is significant here is the reported scale and alleged rarity of this event. I'm entirely satisfied that the scale is as big as has been claimed; I am, however, dubious about the rarity, as I have said elsewhere. That this celebration is not governed by the Gregorian calendar would be no obstacle to putting it in OTD: we regularly list events from the Julian, Hebrew, Islamic, and other calendars there. As to the frequency aside from the 144-year issue, it seems apparent: (1) that there are four sites at which events of this sort take place, and that each site is on its own twelve-year cycle (2) that the celebrations are staggered, so that a cycle starts at one of the four sites every three years (3) that some sites hold an Ardh Kumbh Mela - that is, a halfway event - at the six-year point of their respective twelve-year cycles (4) that this one, the Prayag Kumbh Mela, is of high prestige, possibly the highest among the four. Certainly it is the ones 12 and 24 years ago that I recall last getting this much coverage abroad. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability, may be considered an ITNR, happening every 12 years.Support for 12 years notability, and if that's not enough then its better on 'On this Day' as suggested by Andrew above. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 13:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)- As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the maha version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. Masem (t) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is Maha Kumbh Mela happening in Prayagraj every 12 years. [2019 KM, although also held in Prayagraj, was 'Ardh (meaning halfly, which happens between 2 Maha KMs)']. The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. 2013 KM was also 'Maha', 2001 KM was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles. — Masem (t) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: BBC itself has two contradictory articles. One from 2013 states that MahaKumbh 2013 was the 144 year special one, other published two days ago mentions that this year's MahaKumbh is 144 year special. Maybe no one knows for sure and different people hold different opinions, with this year's claim being the loudest of them all. And I've found that 'Maha' prefix is indeed used for 144 year special KMs, but they are using it every time now, maybe to attract more people. --ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 15:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Then we need to have that all clear and resolved because the ITN worthy item is the 144yr event, not the 12 yr one. Sources today seem to claim this one is the special 144 yr one but it's extremely confusing from our articles. — Masem (t) 14:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Different types of KMs happen every 2-4 years in 4 cities of India, on rotational order. Most notable (maybe deserving an ITN) is Maha Kumbh Mela happening in Prayagraj every 12 years. [2019 KM, although also held in Prayagraj, was 'Ardh (meaning halfly, which happens between 2 Maha KMs)']. The once-in-144 year KM is not denoted by 'Maha', that's jus a confusion probably caused by under researched news articles. 2013 KM was also 'Maha', 2001 KM was also 'Maha'... no relation between 144 years and prefix 'Maha'. And for the question if 144 years ago if there was some special KM, I didn't find any source suggesting that any KM from the 1800s was special for this matter, however a considerable thing is that KMs were not that popular back then so official record keeping may have missed it. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 14:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- As noted above, we'd normally use OTD for such things, so the "regular" event that happens every ~12 years doesn't need to be an ITN. This one, which does appear to be the maha version, that only happens every ~144 years, is unique and reasonable to call out for an ITN, but its frequency at once-every-144-years doesn't make for a good ITNR. Masem (t) 13:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It would be helpful if the contradiction on the Kumbh Mela page, which claims the 2013 event in Prayagraj was a Maha event as well, could be resolved. I see most sources calling the 2025 event the Maha one, but then you have a the 2013 as being Maha sourced to a gov't document. I know that article is not featured, but given that a large proportion of our readership is not Hindu, I think we need to have clarity fixed there as well and just to make sure we are acknowledgint the 144-year event. Masem (t) 13:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - there are inconsistencies as Masem points out above, and several tags that need work. While notable we should cover it at its conclusion in February when there are much more concrete facts about attendance and the article is not a bunch of WP:CRYSTALBALL material. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- We definitely do not want to post the current blurb until there is clarity on whether this is considered a 'Maha' kumbh. There is discussion about it on the talk page that should at minimum be resolved before posting the current blurb. Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Hindu festivals are not ITN. 2607:FEA8:9DE:67E0:CC70:984F:2BDA:7121 (talk) 21:48, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no such categorical rule, and frankly, anon, your position looks somewhat prejudicial.
- (By the way, 2025 is also a Jubliee Year in the Catholic Church, an event which occurs once every 25 years. This one is also the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea. If there's a nice big event relating to that, with lots of appropriate sources, I would vote for it to be included at ITN as well. I regard both of these major events as having potential merit as ITN stories if the pages are up to standard.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose after reading the above insightful discussion by helpful editors. Also, just because it is rare does not mean it should be ITN material. For example, there was a big celebration in France for the 200 years anniversary of the French revolution, but i don't think we would have blurbed it. Tradediatalk 23:51, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Leslie Charleson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://people.com/leslie-charleson-dead-general-hospital-actress-8605210
Credits:
- Nominated by SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Regards, SSCG 0:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is a notable person who died yesterday. The article about her is reasonably well developed.--Eastview2018 (talk) 14:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Eastview2018 with all due respect, this comment reads as if it was written by AI - did you use that? The Kip (contribs) 16:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @The Kip Are you talking about the very comment above you? It's too short to determine anything, and looks natural to most part to me. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 06:58, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged and lacking in citations, must be addressed before we can put this on the Main Page. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The filmography section, without which the article would be stub like, is completely uncited. --ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 07:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
January 12
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January 12, 2025
(Sunday)
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2024 Chadian parliamentary election results
[edit]Blurb: In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement provisionally receives a majority in the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement in Chad receives a majority in the National Assembly.
Alternative blurb II: In Chad, the ruling Patriotic Salvation Movement retains a majority in the National Assembly amidst a boycott by opposition parties.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
- Nominated by Yo.dazo (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. I'm also thinking if the blurb should also mention that opposition parties boycotted the election. Yo.dazo (talk) 19:32, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment It would be bizarre to run this separately from the mysterious attack on the Presidential palace in the same country. People seem to think that the government's statements are not reliable so why would this be any different? My impression is that there's likely to be a connection but we don't have good, reliable sources for any of it. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Below, you say that
"Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says."
Andrew🐉(talk) 00:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Below, you say that
- We can't engage in original research and our own conclusions even if they seem obvious. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:00, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Am I allowed to oppose based on the absolutely atrocious sandwiching of the lead by the overly-wide electionbox? It's averaging three words per line on my screen. Also, I realize this is on ITN/R, but according to the article this election was boycotted by the opposition and the ruling party, unsurprisingly, won a large majority, so I'm really not sure this is interesting to readers. Toadspike [Talk] 07:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed; the general consensus of administrators is that the proper place to have a discussion about significance of ITN/R items is on WT:ITN, and discussions should only focus on WP:ITNCRIT. But we also know that there are instances in which the rules do not account for stories where the lede of the true story (the boycott of an election) has been buried. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ITN/R is just a guideline and so "exceptions may apply". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Blurb is misleading at best, per above. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - Might be a hot take but I don't think blatantly rigged and unfair elections in authoritarian countries should be considered ITN/R, unless the country itself has a massive impact and reach (ala Russian presidential elections). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose This is a likely sham election in a relatively minor country, so I don't think this is significant enough for ITN. That being said, article quality is fine. --SpectralIon (talk) 21:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- ALT3 added. I do not see how this is a different circumstance to other "sham elections" we've posted. Curbon7 (talk) 01:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Well the Russian election has a lot more global influence for example PrecariousWorlds (talk) 06:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability.
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
We post elections whether they're sham or not if the quality's good enough, as evidenced above, and we do not consider whether it is aminor country
when posting. In fact, we posted the previous Chadian election. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC) - Oppose Lets not promote a fake election. Chad is not a democracy. Tradediatalk 01:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Most African countries aren't democracies. Should we prevent the majority of African election coverage from being posted because most aren't "democratic" enough? BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
2024–25 Croatian presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Zoran Milanović (pictured) is re-elected president of Croatia. (Post)
News source(s): The Dubrovnik Times, Sarajevo Times, BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Nom per ITN/R. Moraljaya67 (talk) 06:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article looks quite presentable but most of the sources are in the Croatian language and so I've no idea how accurate or reliable they are. To check the blurb, I looked at the BBC report cited by the nomination (but not the article). This says that, "Presidents in Croatia fulfil a largely ceremonial role" and so it seems this is not ITN/R. I've therefore changed the nomination parameter to "no". Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support First time voting here, the President of Croatia is the head of state, so this should be ITN/R right? Plus, there is precedent for posting changes in heads of state with mostly ceremonial roles, considering we posted the Coronation of Charles III and Camilla back in 2023. Ocean1cbanana (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Ocean1cbanana: The last time Croatia got a new head of state it was 2020, the last time somebody got coronated in Britain before Charles, it was 1953. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 17:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak support - Meets WP:ITN/R so it's not a question of notability. I would say the article doesn't feel ready; it needs a bit more prose/updates post election, as it's pretty light on text overall right now.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 17:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: this is not ITNR, which states that only the executive office qualifies, referring to List of current heads of state and government for guidance. For Croatia, that list indicates the prime minister has the executive power (green shading), not the president. I've adjusted the nomination template accordingly. Modest Genius talk 18:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - we do not, and really should not, post changes in the head of state when that office is not also the head of government. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:16, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This does not seem important enough for ITN after reading about the role of the president of Croatia. Tradediatalk 00:48, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Hasjim Djalal
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://en.antaranews.com/news/341158/hasjim-djalal-an-architect-of-unclos-passes-away-at-90
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indonesian diplomat. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:33, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is a stub Thewetroadinsummer (talk) 20:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Thewetroadinsummer: Not a stub anymore... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support: It's bit of a peacock, but once fixed its good to go. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 07:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @ExclusiveEditor: I've removed the promotional last paragraph... Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 00:43, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
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Al-Bayda gas station explosion
[edit]Blurb: A gas station explosion in al-Bayda, Yemen results in 15 deaths and 67 injuries (Post)
News source(s): ABC news
Credits:
- Nominated by Abo Yemen (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Investigations are still ongoing and the article is being updated Abo Yemen✉ 16:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability Waiting for updated news. ArionStar (talk) 16:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now International coverage has been brief so far on this. Will only support if there's confirmation (from a proper source) that this is one of the worst of such incidents in Yemen. Yo.dazo (talk) 18:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a war zone in various ways and there were hundreds of violent deaths last year. And the article and reports don't make it clear what sort of gas this was -- gasoline, propane, natural gas or what? Andrew🐉(talk) 19:06, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: As a compromise, how about adding the Yemeni civil war part of ongoing conflicts on the front page, thus removing the need to comment on every event? Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't part of the war tho, this is a gas station exploding Abo Yemen✉ 06:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Neither the article nor the coverage gives any explanation of the cause. It seems quite possible that it was a bomb/missile associated with the civil war or conflict with Israel, West or the Saudis. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't part of the war tho, this is a gas station exploding Abo Yemen✉ 06:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable enough for blurb because it is a war zone. Tradediatalk 00:28, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Qiu Dahong
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dalian Institute of Technology (in Mandarin Chinese)
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Could do with an infobox but otherwise article looks well referenced and long enough, although expansion would be welcome. Cannot comment on the quality of the references though as they are all in Chinese. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is closer to the stubbier side of things, I'm afraid. Additional expansion would be helpful. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:27, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Fereydoon Shahbazyan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): IFP News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article looks comprehensive however sources may need to be checked on quality, however most are in Persian. If that passes then article looks fine otherwise. Abcmaxx (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Compositions section needs sourcing, and there are a few dodgy sources nonetheless (such as amazon.com being one of them). Cleanup on that end would be really helpful. Ping once completed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:24, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
January 10
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RD: Frank Cicutto
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 07:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is too stubby for Main Page recognition. Please add more info to the article to increase its length! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:03, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: José Jiménez
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Happily888 (talk) 07:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is orange tagged and is in dire need of citations. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Milan Feranec
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:
- Nominated by History6042 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by GiantSnowman (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Czech politician. History6042😊 (Contact me) 15:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has 172 words, and is not nearly long enough for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 19:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- What is considered a good length? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNQUALITY:
Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items. Stub articles are never appropriate for the main page.
Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)- Oh, thank you. I will withdraw this nomination then. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- RD nominations do not need to be withdrawn, they can stay open until it rolls off after the 7 day period expires. The subject's article in Czech Wikipedia is pretty filled out, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Curbon7 (talk) 09:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, thank you. I will withdraw this nomination then. History6042😊 (Contact me) 11:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Per WP:ITNQUALITY:
- What is considered a good length? History6042😊 (Contact me) 19:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Sam Moore
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:B49A:4C1F:CA02:FF35 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American soul singer-songwriter and half of Sam & Dave. 240F:7A:6253:1:B49A:4C1F:CA02:FF35 (talk) 07:39, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Orange tagged for sourcing, and with good reason. The entire first few sections are completely uncited. Please fix! Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 12:25, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Shiu Ka-chun
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Standard
Credits:
- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Artur-Bukow (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Hong Kong activist and former legislator. One paragraph needs a citation, otherwise the article is fine TNM101 (chat) 07:17, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Some citations/length issues that are ultimately very minor. Shouldn't be too hard to fix. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Inauguration of Nicolas Maduro
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Nicolas Maduro (pictured) is inaugurated for a third term as President of Venezuela amidst a political crisis aggravated after the controversial results of the 2024 Venezuelan presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): (CNN)
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Again, the ITNR was the actual election, which was nominated but never got to the quality needed to post. Inaugerations are not a second chance for missing an ITNR election. --Masem (t) 17:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- But the inauguration of Mikheil Kavelashvili was posted too… The circumstances of this Venezuelan event do not seem to differ greatly from those in Georgia. ArionStar (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The situation in Georgia was far different (coupled with protests), compared to where Maduro's been sitting for several terms and the issue remains how free the election results are. Here it would be like announcing Putin's next inauguration, while everyone questions the results of said "election", the inauguration is an inevitable result from that, and that election is still the ITNR. Masem (t) 17:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is no a Russian political crisis, but yes a Georgian and Venezuelan ones. ArionStar (talk) 18:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- The situation in Georgia was far different (coupled with protests), compared to where Maduro's been sitting for several terms and the issue remains how free the election results are. Here it would be like announcing Putin's next inauguration, while everyone questions the results of said "election", the inauguration is an inevitable result from that, and that election is still the ITNR. Masem (t) 17:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- But the inauguration of Mikheil Kavelashvili was posted too… The circumstances of this Venezuelan event do not seem to differ greatly from those in Georgia. ArionStar (talk) 17:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose good faith nom. "Dictator is sworn in following stolen election. In other news, the sun is expected to rise in the east and set in the west this weekend." -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We don't post inaugurations. Setarip (talk) 20:29, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- oppose Edmundo Gonzalez said he would enter Venezuela and sworn as well. That would have been newsworthy, a story with more than just "X is inaugurated". Alas, it did not happen, so it was just Maduro doing his thing. Cambalachero (talk) 22:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose We don’t post inaugurations that formalise election results.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Does that include Trump's inauguration? HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Of course. I’ll oppose that one as well if it gets nominated.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Does that include Trump's inauguration? HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Per nom. We don't post inaugurations of Claudia Sheinbaum, Joe Biden, etc. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - he's already president. Nfitz (talk) 06:00, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
January 9
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(Posted) RD: Otto Schenk
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ORF, NYT
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Austrian actor, and traditional theatre and opera director Grimes2 (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is well-cited and long enough to be eligible for Main Page recognition. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: He was a legend, whose productions remain in the repertory for a long time, Wagner's Ring cycle at the Metropolitan Opera from 1986 to 2009, Puccini's La bohème from 1969 until now at the Bavarian State Opera, and Die Fledermaus by Johann Strauss from 1972 until no end. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 03:08, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Anita Bryant
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
wizzito | say hello! 02:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Support. No uncited sections. A few potential bits of cruft in the Legacy section, but a generally well-fleshed out article. -insert valid name here- (talk) 03:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)Oppose for now, per FakeScientist. -insert valid name here- (talk) 17:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)- Comment I have added some CN TAGS in some unsourced lines and paras that might be easy to fix. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Far too many CN tags to be considered good enough quality to be put on the Main Page. Must be addressed as soon as possible. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: P. Jayachandran
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pachu Kannan (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Pachu Kannan (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Article need more sources. Pachu Kannan (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Discography and Career sections need more citations, and need to be fixed. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 18:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) 2022–2025 Lebanese presidential election
[edit]Blurb: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year vacancy (Post)
Alternative blurb II: Joseph Aoun (pictured) is elected president of Lebanon after a two-year presidential vacuum
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Prodrummer619 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, notwithstanding whether this counts as WP:ITN/R or not. Oppose on quality, with election article in particular needing some tidying up. Yo.dazo (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Some paragraphs are still written like the election is still ongoing. Also every election session getting its own subsection is overkill—that could definitely be condensed into larger subsections and a single table for every round of voting. Yo.dazo (talk) 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Yo.dazo I think it's fine now. Can you point out anything for me? Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support, this is highly remarkable and not just some run-of-the-mill election. Lebanon is notorious for its political deadlock, to which this is a surprising exception. Article also looks pretty clean. Skimming it, I saw no major issues and fairly good sourcing. The thirteen rounds of vote tables might be excessive, but are no reason to prevent this nomination from succeeding. Toadspike [Talk] 14:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Important election that can change the Middle East geopolitics. ArionStar (talk) 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Would like to see a bit of content on the aftermath of Aoun's election today, but the article's in a good enough state to post regardless. The Kip (contribs) 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support This is important for the destiny of Lebanon and also the Middle East in general (war with Israel, weapons of Hezbollah, Syria, Iran...) Also, the article quality looks good enough to me. Tradediatalk 18:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support finally, after 13 sessions, Lebanon has a president again, hopefully the political crisis there can start to be solved. Scuba 19:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support - no ordinary Lebanon election. Important for both the Middle East and geopolitics at large. Wildfireupdateman :) (talk) 20:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Stephen: please add "[[]]" between President of Lebanon due to its importance. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- You can go to WP:ERRORS for that. 65.93.223.182 (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Stephen: please add "[[]]" between President of Lebanon due to its importance. ArionStar (talk) 02:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- is there a reason why there have been three different pictures of him used on the front page over the last two days? — jonas (talk) 04:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Two pictures. What is the problem with that? Stephen 04:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) Chad presidential palace attack
[edit]Blurb: The presidential palace in N'Djamena, Chad comes under attack resulting in 20 deaths. (Post)
News source(s): AP , France 24
Credits:
- Nominated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Notable target and death toll is higher than CA fires. Sportsnut24 (talk) 02:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - I see zero widespread impact. EF5 02:32, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- What does a fire in CA have "widespread impact" about? Sportsnut24 (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support A deadly terrorist attack in a national capital? Really? ArionStar (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Sportsnut24: And why were the CA fires brought up? I myself strongly opposed the inclusion of those. EF5 13:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- What does a fire in CA have "widespread impact" about? Sportsnut24 (talk) 07:08, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support There would be no question of posting this if it happened in Luxembourg or London. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support clearly notable enough, article in good shape Kowal2701 (talk) 07:55, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wait The article's quality is weak and the details still seem to be emerging. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose This line from the article "Koulamallah added that the attackers were local youth from N'Djamena and were disorganized and intoxicated by alcohol and drugs." implies this was nothing like a coup attempt or the like, just the result of a drunk group of young people, and the way Reuters and CNN/AP's writeup gives it, the leaders shrugged it off and thanked their security for quickly stopping them. The fact the bulk of the dead were the drunk group (only 1 soldier was killed). They have quickly ruled off terrorism and treat it like a domestic gang crime that was quickly quelled. --Masem (t) 13:53, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says. They have every reason to downplay this and taking their word at face value is extremely naive. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- If reliable sources are not questioning the response by the goverment (in contrast compared to claims of fair elections in places like Russia which is highly criticized by foreign sources), we should not be questioning that as well. Obviously, its fair to use attribution, but we shouldn't be casting doubt ourselves if no other sources do that. — Masem (t) 05:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, France 24 and others cite sources in the security services saying it was a Boko Haram attack. This is now reflected in the article, with the minister saying one thing, and other sources saying another. Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:09, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- If reliable sources are not questioning the response by the goverment (in contrast compared to claims of fair elections in places like Russia which is highly criticized by foreign sources), we should not be questioning that as well. Obviously, its fair to use attribution, but we shouldn't be casting doubt ourselves if no other sources do that. — Masem (t) 05:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Chad is not a democracy, and you can't trust anything their government says. They have every reason to downplay this and taking their word at face value is extremely naive. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support A total of 20 people died in an attack targeting a presidential palace and threatening the life of country’s head of state at the time when he was inside. This is a textbook example of an attack that should be posted. I don’t buy the ‘domestic gang crime’ argument and the fact that the attackers were a group of intoxicated young people. There are zillion instances of civil disobedience that young people in drunk state do around the globe other than attacking a presidential palace, especially when linked to a terrorist organisation with a history of activities in the region. I’m not naive enough to believe that the attackers were innocent young people who found themselves in wrong place after having a few drinks.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 00:30, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Twenty people killed in a attack on a nation's capital, against the Presidential Palace with the president himself inside no less! Regardless if the attack was the work of a terrorist group or just a bunch of drunk hooligans, this kind of thing doesn't happen often. If this occurred in a western nation it would get nominated and accepted in a heartbeat, frankly the pro-western bias here in ITN is mind boggling. Pladica (talk) 01:01, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Kiril and Harizotoh9. Article is ok in terms of references and length. Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- When I looked before, the prose seemed to need copy-editing and the latest version still has issues like "The sources say that the men were instead with firearms", "defense and armored personnel were deployed on the streets". The facts seem to be uncertain or disputed and so the article still doesn't seem good quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Both examples fixed. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:49, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- When I looked before, the prose seemed to need copy-editing and the latest version still has issues like "The sources say that the men were instead with firearms", "defense and armored personnel were deployed on the streets". The facts seem to be uncertain or disputed and so the article still doesn't seem good quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:08, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support attacks on presidential residences aren't common even in the most unstable of countries, and the official line that a fairly large group of intoxicated youths were bored and decided to attack the most guarded building in the country is quite frankly a bit of a ridiculous assertion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:02, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article is ready. ArionStar (talk) 02:14, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. – robertsky (talk) 06:35, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pull - Coverage is still very low, and as above I wouldn’t say the article is up to par with quality and breadth.
- EF5 15:37, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pull The claims above that the problems have been fixed and that the article is ready are incorrect. Part of the trouble is that the news coverage is thin as there haven't been been any follow-ups in media for days while some major outlets like the NYT have not touched it at all. The facts of the matter are still quite unclear, the attackers have not been identified and so we just are peddling vague rumours rather than quality analysis. Even the blurb is bad, saying "presidential palace in N'Djamena, Chad" without any link, as if readers are expected to be familiar with these places. But the good news is that there are hardly any readers – just 360 yesterday. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pull The actual coverage of this is quite low, and the article is still very thin. Add to that the fact that 18 of the 20 casualties were attackers, it is being claimed that they were not an organised terrorist group, and I don't believe that makes an ITN-worthy entry unless it can be expanded in a serious manner. Black Kite (talk) 11:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support, the article is of good enough quality, although can be improved. Coverage is not thin, it's been reported by CNN, France24, AP, BBC etc. Don't see the relevance of what the government claims, they are not a reliable source. Kowal2701 (talk) 14:15, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Responding to the above: NYT is nice, but it's an American based newspaper with a lot of international coverage but it's not the be all and end all of international news. Reuters, BBC World Service, and AP have broader international reach and coverage and have covered this and additionally the French news services France 24 and AFP have covered it. There's additional coverage by The Guardian, Le Monde, showing coverage by French and International sources. For importance the coverage has reported it as an attempt to storm in a coordinated attack of the presidential compound with the President still inside. The Chadian Minister of Foreign Affairs has described it as an attempt to "destabilize" the country which has been thwarted. Lastly, there's no requirement that an incident has to be completely solved for it to be notable or important. Chad is not a full democracy which complicates matters, so the media has to rely upon anonymous sources embedded in security services, and the public statements of government officials. That is not the same as "vague rumors". Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- BBC Afrique article is more in-depth, and reports that the President says he was the direct target of the attack. Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- That report was written by a journalist in a different country about 4,000 km away. He got his details about the President by reading a post on Facebook. His other sources seem to be wire stories and a couple of phone calls. This is churnalism and most of the coverage is second-hand stuff like this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
RD: Pritish Nandy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: .Indian parliamentarian needs work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good to me TheHiddenCity (talk) 1:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has a bunch of uncited material (sections, sentences and is properly tagged with a refimprove tag).--TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is orange tagged and has far too many CN tags/uncited statements. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 13:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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